Professional Photographer wanted

[remyxxx]

Professional Photographer wanted in the toronto area for weekly shoots. Pm me with your rates and portfolio's.

[Sheik]

two names come to mind

kbear
jesterz

[remyxxx]

you have a url or email for me?

[Sheik]

you can use this link and type those names into the search

http://69.90.73.244/vbulletin/search.php?s=


kbear www.chicerotica.com

jesterz www.wxpression.com/

Dave - webguy www.dcww.ca

Marshall Stack www.ramedia.com

[Dave - WebGuy]

remyxxx chack your PMs

Think I've worked with at least 3 of your girls and supplied the links to work I've done with them.

Dave

[remyxxx]

I seen it we are looking at everyone's work so that we can make the right choice.

[remyxxx]

I only saw Lexi who are the other 2? @ Dave

[Rezdog]

remyxxx. I am sending you a PM and my photo weblink address. We can discuss rates dependent upon # of models per shoot, timeframe, makeup/hairstylist requirements, etc.

Cheers,

Rez

[remyxxx]

how many of you have or have access to a studio?

[canucklehead]

I have a 3400 sq ft studio at Carlaw/Dundas ........ i have been doing web work for over 12 years and photography for 25. My rates start at 150 hr and i can courier over portfolios for u to view if you wish or we can meet in person...... all my work is done both on film and digital.
As far as web works goes i have a 5 month waiting list ............
pm me for more info or if u r interested

[Rezdog]

remy. I have access to studio space @ Leslie & Lakeshore. 1000 sq. ft. I shoot digital or film depending on the assignment. I sent you a PM with my weblink.

Rez

[Dave - WebGuy]

Originally posted by remyxxx
I only saw Lexi who are the other 2? @ Dave

Ms Pryce & Shanelle I think.... seemed to look awfully close. but the link still shows my work either way. Could be wrong though, every photographer can give a different look.

Dave

[Marshall Stack]

Although i'd love the opportunity, we're swamped right now. Just got way too much on our plate at the moment with 3 pay sites set to roll out and another work-for-hire in development.

That, and with all the photography required for each site (not to mention, the admin) is consuming pretty much all the time I've got to spare right now.

Now, if only I could clone myself...

The others mentioned do quality work.

KBear/DavetheWebGuy are two fine photographers.

Jesterz/Dave does great web design work as well.

BTW, it's:
www.ra-media.org (adult)
www.ra-media.net (mainstream)


Originally posted by Sheik
you can use this link and type those names into the search

http://69.90.73.244/vbulletin/search.php?s=


kbear www.chicerotica.com

jesterz www.wxpression.com/

Dave - webguy www.dcww.ca

Marshall Stack www.ramedia.com

[remyxxx]

I'm looking for a photographer with a signature style, some artistic impression. Anyone can take a picture, very few can bring it to life. I'm not trying to knock anyone, that's just what I'm looking for.

This is what I'm reffering to:

http://afflictedyard.com/index.htm

http://www.cinnamonbunz.com/framesgalleries.htm

http://atlantadymes.com/dymegallery/index.shtml

[blogs]

http://www.phatdogvisuals.com/intro.html

[KBear]

How much are you willing to pay for a photo shoot?

You are referring to sites with beautiful, experienced models with perfect bodies, interesting locations, make up artist, a lot photo time and post processing time to get 1-5 pictures.

[Damondean]

Bang-on, KBear. I think this lady needs to define what she wants to do.

Nice links though!

[robycapone]

sometimes its up to the photographer to define how things should be done!!! and by the way....models don't need to be perfect to create perfect pictures!!!

IM a photographer in the wedding industry for a number of years and also getting into sports photography...not every bride is perfect, or has the right makeup, and not every groom is GQ material...it just makes me laugh how you guys can say you need this and that....why don't you guys work for your money????

by the way... phatdogvisuals, i haven't met him but i've seen him or them i should say at the shows....they're in the wedding industry they can vouch for what im saying...their work is very good as well.

just my 2 cents....

Roby Capone

[KBear]

robycapone, how much time an money is spent on the wedding photos you provide, and how many exceptional pictures do you provide? I’m guessing that when you consider your cost, the clothing, make up, hair stylist, location, and time for those involved, your into the thousands of dollars for a dozen or so pictures.

If you were told you had $100 to work with, total, would you provide the same results? Most likely, you would not even show up.

When you look at remy’s site, the pictures appear to be pretty low budget, they probably pay for the girl, but it looks like they have no budget for anything else. The example sites are modeling sites. If you look at porn sites of the same quality, you are probable looking at many $1000’s of dollars to produce the same results. Porn site example http://www.artistic-nudes.com/nudes-galleries/3galleries-single-model-playboy.htm

Btw rob, When you are doing porn, the model’s shape/figure makes a big difference. Also makes me laugh reading replies from people with lots of talk but nothing to show.

[remyxxx]

Originally posted by KBear
How much are you willing to pay for a photo shoot?

You are referring to sites with beautiful, experienced models with perfect bodies, interesting locations, make up artist, a lot photo time and post processing time to get 1-5 pictures.

Are you saying you are unable to take a proper photograph if the model is not beautiful?

[remyxxx]

In my humble opinon if someone needs adobe to provide a perfect picture that person is not a true to life photographer. Photography is being creative with the subject...even if the subject is a dead racoon on the side of the highway (roadkill), and second being able to manipulate light to your advantage.

[KBear]

Originally posted by remyxxx
Are you saying you are unable to take a proper photograph if the model is not beautiful?

?? I dont know how you got that from what I posted??

The photos on the sites you referenced have all most likely seen some degree of post processing. Dont know how you relate Adobe editing to the photographer's talent.

[remyxxx]

Originally posted by KBear


You are referring to sites with beautiful, experienced models with perfect bodies,

[robycapone]

i have 8 years of weddings to show for it....backed by 25 years from the company for which i am employed...Toronto's biggest and best wedding specialists deal with us and unlike you Kbear i dont have to advertise myself on the web, infact not having a website is one of our biggest assests as I don't have to spend numerous hours running a wedding site that not many people in Southern Ontario search for (wedding photographers)....our advertising is done at the Industry Shows and WORD-OF-Mouth....

Besides all you have to show for is the same old lame picturesover and over...one background, one perhaps two flashes....thats grade 11 stuff HOMEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYyy

ohh and btw, Im not here to fight, im here to prove a point....with that being said....when you're doing porn, a models shape and physique DOES NOT matter, we have millions of different avenues of porn from BBW to ANarexia....so if shes big you shot BBW you work with WHAT YOU HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roby

[tonymontana.jr]

kbear www.chicerotica.com

By far, the best in the business... IMO

[KBear]

Well Rob, 8 years in the business, lots of talk, but nothing to show, how convenient. Guess all that is left for you to do is criticize my work to in an effort to make yourself appear, or at least feel in your own mind, credible. How much money goes into producing your wonderful pictures, if you had some to show?? You have to compare apples with apples.

And, I’m not saying the bbw lady is not attractive, or that the photo of the bbw lady will not look great, that is not the issue. But, if you require pictures of youthful busty shapely ladies pictured in tropical background, then you best have youthful busty shapely ladies and the tropical background, not a bbw lady pictured in a cheap hotel room. << btw, these comments have nothing to do with remy’s site.

[remyxxx]

If anyone want to display any images of there work for me to see please post it here http://www.divasof416.com/forums/index.php?showforum=11 , because terb dosn't allow images. I'm useing this board untll mine is up. Also I can post some pictures so you can see the subject...me.

[robycapone]

if you wanna see my work head down to the bridal shows this september.....where you can meet professional photographers such as myself who bust their ass to get great shots for every client every time out......SOmetimes.....it aint about the money,

if Remy wanted exotic looking shots...thats fine....i have access to nice locations right here in the GTA area.....when couples come to us, they give us a spot, they tell us where they wanna go if not,,,,we recommend some places.....but when we get there, we do what we feel is right for them what we know they will like and not whats right for u or what you like....REMEMBER ITS NOT ABOUT YOU...

and please, save the comparison, i don't have to proove myself to you or to anybody, im quite comfortable where I am and what im doing....Photography is my 'other' job im a sports photographer and a wedding photographer who gets paid by people who want to me....i get more satisfaction from people by the look on their face when they see their album rather than the pay cheque

[Damondean]

Hey people,

I can't believe this thread is still going . . It's getting too silly for words. Remyxxx is clearly looking for inspiration and not getting it here. It does not appear that she understands what KBear is trying to say . . And, yes, his stuff is good.

What's a weddings shooter doing here anyway? LOL

I am waiting to see what Remyxxx eventually ends up with -- if anything.

DD

www.theprofsglamourpix.com

[robycapone]

am i not allowed to read and state my opinion???

[Damondean]

It would help if you had an intelligent -- or at least intelligible -- opinion. But, hey, this is the Internet. Anything is allowed.

[robycapone]

thats why you're here

[KBear]

Originally posted by robycapone
it aint about the money,

if Remy wanted exotic looking shots...thats fine....i have access to nice locations right here in the GTA area


Ohhhhh, now you make sense. Lots of talk, nothing to show. But willing to help the girl out shooting porn for little or no money, just to see the look of satisfaction on her face, you horn dog you. Get in the line up over there with the other guys with years of experience and nothing to show for it that want to shoot porn, lol.

[robycapone]

i told you where you can find my stuff....CAN"T YOU READ.....if i wanted to shoot it....I would.....and put you outta the business....i can show you all the pictures you want....how about i show you my Last game that i did....or the last wedding i shot, or the last girl that wanted a portfolio.....I don't have a beef with the other guys...SO far you're the only one who's decided to speak on the subject....

btw....i never criticized your work I just said your format for those pictures is the same across the board

[remyxxx]

Originally posted by robycapone
i told you where you can find my stuff....CAN"T YOU READ.....if i wanted to shoot it....I would.....and put you outta the business....i can show you all the pictures you want....how about i show you my Last game that i did....or the last wedding i shot, or the last girl that wanted a portfolio.....I don't have a beef with the other guys...SO far you're the only one who's decided to speak on the subject....

btw....i never criticized your work I just said your format for those pictures is the same across the board
your pm box is full

[KBear]

Originally posted by robycapone
one background, one perhaps two flashes....thats grade 11 stuff HOMEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYyy
Roby

I read that as a criticism of my work. Could I have misread it?

Anyway, Remy has created a forum for those interested to post their work. great idea.

[remyxxx]

I would like to see what you guys are capable of doing. I could even rotate so no one gets bored. I added what I'm looking for in the other forum.

[remyxxx]

and don't get get side tracked with all the smut/porn on that forum...remember it's all about REMY.

[Creative Eye]

She wants perfect lighting, walk out with all images and copyright, be creative with poses and have a studio.

I bet she doesn't want to pay more than $500 either.

yeah, good luck.

I find it really funny to see all these "professional" photographers being recommended. Although technically anyone making money in photography is a "pro"; none of you would get past the front door at ANY modeling agency in town.

[Damondean]

Hey Creative Eye!

I totally agree that her request doesn't make much sense . . but why dump on the other photogs? I, for one, would not be caught dead in a modelling agency.

There are other types of pix beside Playboy-type centrespreads.

Same goes for the guy who does weddings who posted above.

She will probably find some webhead with a digital camera who thinks he does "perfect lighting" -- whatever that means.

Oh, BTW, you forgot, she also wants the photog to shoot fast!

[Creative Eye]

Well as the saying goes Price, Selection, Quality, pick TWO.

As someone in the industry I'm tired of how degraded the meaning of "professional" has become. Ever since the spread of digital, every schmoe with a camera can call themselves a professional photographer. The term professional used to imply a certain level of quality which I fail to see here.

I don't like dealing with the pretentious putzes at agencies either but I was just using that as an example of what is good enough.

[robycapone]

creative eye has a POINT....Taking a picture involves much more than just point and shoot.....with weddings lighting is the last thing on my mind as we tend to shoot outdoors 90% of the time .... stuff like posture, angle, hair, makeup, what shes wearing, what hes wearing, is his tie straight, is her dress perfect, are only a few things that go threw the mind of (pros use Medium Format 99.9% of the time) you tend to make every picture as perfect as you can so you don't waste the negative...which all comes back to cost!!!

[KBear]

Originally posted by Creative Eye
I find it really funny to see all these "professional" photographers being recommended. Although technically anyone making money in photography is a "pro"; none of you would get past the front door at ANY modeling agency in town.


Odd that the best these professionals can do is trash other peoples work. Does not seem too professional to me.

Roby, nice to see you are picking up on the cost issues.

[robycapone]

ITS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY WHEN YOUR USING DIGITAL.... with digital you have no expenses...NONE other than the power to charge your batteries....I've used film since i first picked up a camera, i take the same care in every shot with DIGITAL that i DO WITH FILM....

talking about costs with DIGI, all it costs is your damn time and a single flash...your postproduction should be no more than half a min sharpening your picture, if you do any other alterations...I DONT" THINK YOU SHOULD BE CALLED A PRO!!!

[Damondean]

Originally posted by Creative Eye
. . . I'm tired of how degraded the meaning of "professional" has become. Ever since the spread of digital, every schmoe with a camera can call themselves a professional photographer. . .

I sympathize but unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it. Technology has made easier what was once more difficult. However, discerning customers CAN tell the difference.

Before computers, there used to be typesetters in printing. In film and TV it was costly to do animations. You needed artists and designers. Where are they now?

Also, I am not sure that the trend in photography is so new . . there were always people who maybe weren't so skilled but managed to shoot portraits and functions that perhaps were not of the highest standard.


Just for the record, I go back to Speed Graphics and still use my Rollei TLR occasionally (and scan the film).

And, as you point out "professional" is anyone who gets paid for it. It doesn't necessarily mean that he or she is better than a gifted amateur. . . and that applies to other things too.

So let's stop bashing the guys who take pix. The real issue is with the lady...some webhead will help her out I am sure.

BTW: WTF is this doing in a sex review forum??LOL

[robycapone]

How much is she willing to pay anyways?????

[KBear]

Originally posted by robycapone
your postproduction should be no more than half a min sharpening your picture, if you do any other alterations...I DONT" THINK YOU SHOULD BE CALLED A PRO!!!


Roby, now you are lost again. How does postproduction work relate in any way to how good the photographer is??? Are the photographers that shoot Maxim not Pros??? btw Roby, Maxim pictures are heavily edited, the girls are not born with golden plastic smooth skin.

[Creative Eye]

Originally posted by KBear
Roby, now you are lost again. How does postproduction work relate in any way to how good the photographer is??? Are the photographers that shoot Maxim not Pros??? btw Roby, Maxim pictures are heavily edited, the girls are not born with golden plastic smooth skin.

Yep have to agree here. If you think there is "pure" photography any more boy are you on the wrong planet.

EVERY single shot out there from the Loblaw's flyer to the billboard by the highway has been HEAVILY photoshopped and cleaned up.

Roby what makes you think shooting digital doesn't have any expense? You got a free camera? Free compact flash? Free CDs to burn?

As a portraitist I bet you believe Karsh would be a great "pure" professional. I happen to know for a fact (I know one of Karsh's assistants) that all his stuff was heavily dodged, burned, toned and intensified in the darkroom. Photoshop is just the modern equivalent.

99.9% of Pros don't shoot medium format! Have you watched the Olympics lately? What are all those white lenses? Equipment a pro does not make.

Btw, I stand corrected. Blog (www.phatdogvisuals.com) would be able to get past the front door.

[Damondean]

Nice web page, great images . . he posted so far back I forgot about him. Will he do Remy's shoot though??? I think Roby should do it in medium format and give her the film. We can all critique the pix when she posts them. LOL

[KBear]

Originally posted by Creative Eye
Btw, I stand corrected. Blog (www.phatdogvisuals.com) would be able to get past the front door.

Dont think that phatdog was applying. His pictures do look great. but i would bet some of the pictures took a day to produce. Now to cost. what do you think one of his photo shoots would look like if he only had $100 - $200 to play with. Remember, she wants a card full of pictures in a couple of hours.

[Creative Eye]

Originally posted by KBear
Dont think that phatdog was applying. His pictures do look great. but i would bet some of the pictures took a day to produce. Now to cost. what do you think one of his photo shoots would look like if he only had $100 - $200 to play with. Remember, she wants a card full of pictures in a couple of hours.

You could do it in a couple hours and with only $200 BUT you'd only get 2 shots at most.

Weird, this is the best photo "discussion" I've had in ages. Much more fun than the snooze on pdnonline. I think we need a new forum on TERB :-)

[KBear]

now put him in a cheap hotel room, say 10' x 12', with a lady with no modeling experience, no useful clothing, no MUA, no stylist.

[KBear]

Originally posted by robycapone
How much is she willing to pay anyways?????

I thought money was not the issue with you, are you not doing the shoot just to see the look of satisfaction on her face?

Although this shoot is going to cost you some, shooting as only a professional does, in medium format and all. I still don’t know what shooting in medium format has to do with web pics though.

[Damondean]

Hey, KBear, 10 x 12 room, etc. that sounds like one MY shoots-- LOL.

Creative Eye-- good idea or, still better, maybe a shoot-out. There is a non-adult event in town where they provide a nude model and five or six photographers each shoot one roll of 120 or the equivalent. ... I had a newspaper clip about it but I threw it out.

So maybe we should have a contest like that. Would not have to be nude but it should not be in a studio.

Miranda tried to have shoots at her parties -- I got suckered into one. It was awful. Another guy did the shoot at home and then just play-acted at the party and the third guy actually did it at a party where there was more space.

Not a good thing to do at a party. It should be shooters only.

[Creative Eye]

Originally posted by Damondean
Hey, KBear, 10 x 12 room, etc. that sounds like one MY shoots-- LOL.

Creative Eye-- good idea or, still better, maybe a shoot-out. There is a non-adult event in town where they provide a nude model and five or six photographers each shoot one roll of 120 or the equivalent. ... I had a newspaper clip about it but I threw it out.

So maybe we should have a contest like that. Would not have to be nude but it should not be in a studio.

Huh? Did I suggest something? In any case I'm open to it.

You're referring to Dan Couto's "Naked in the house". Not sure if it's still running. Happens each winter at the beginning of the year I think as the show usually happens around April.

Why not a studio? Use whatever you can to make the best shot possible. Everyone gets one hour. Same model.

Or why not just post your best shot and make a poll?

[KBear]

A poll, hmmmm, thinking, who have I taking pictures of that is really popular on terb :)

This is my last photo shoot taken a few days ago with Iris. I think it turned out great for two people just meeting up and doing pictures. If I can get 15 – 20 similar pictures out of a photo shoot, I’m happy, the lady is happy, and that is what counts in the end.

http://www.chicerotica.com/temp/irisss797/

Im still waiting to see Roby post some pictures of a guy throwing a football or something, anything....

[robycapone]

KBEAR you missed my fucking point......regarding how good the photographer is....you base everything on your DIGICAM shots....a photographers job is to capture a subject or subjects...THose maxim guys shoot Medium Format and by the way THEY TELL THE MODEL WHAT TO FUCKING DO....cause i was there, I should know....we did a shoot on the beaches of Vancouver for Maxim canada....Models are paid for their look not how they move.....

and by the way....there is pure photographer...I invite you guys to check out the bridal shows these upcoming weeks and ask US (exibitors) how much post production goes into our pictures....99% OF US THAT SHOOT FILM....will say just Processing...

THOSE WHITE LENSES...i Have 2 a 400mm F2 Canon and a 100-300mm F3-4.5, I used them with my Older Canons for sports photography (i.e Soccer games/leaf games/bills games)....and they can be rented for 40 bucks for a weekend....Considering you sell one picture to Italian mag for 350 Euros.....i think its worth it???

ohh and I didn't throw my name in Remy's hat but maybe i should just to show you so called "pros" how a younger and more successful shooter does it.....maybe you can learn from someone whos actually done some work with Major Publications...

[Creative Eye]

Originally posted by robycapone
[B]KBEAR you missed my fucking point......regarding how good the photographer is....you base everything on your DIGICAM shots....a photographers job is to capture a subject or subjects...THose maxim guys shoot Medium Format and by the way THEY TELL THE MODEL WHAT TO FUCKING DO....cause i was there, I should know....we did a shoot on the beaches of Vancouver for Maxim canada....Models are paid for their look not how they move.....

I shouldn't step between the two of you but I really have to comment.....

Roby you're really missing the point too. So you don't tell your wedding couples how to pose either? Models don't get paid on how they move?? uh right....

What the heck does shooting medium format have to do with being a pro or not? So the Maxim guys shoot medium format, my dentist does too, so what? Terry Richardson shoots with a point & shoot, so what? The point about the white lenses are that they're 35mm and all those photographers are professional too. So "real pros" don't all shoot medium format.


and by the way....there is pure photographer...I invite you guys to check out the bridal shows these upcoming weeks and ask US (exibitors) how much post production goes into our pictures....99% OF US THAT SHOOT FILM....will say just Processing...

Yeah I'm sure none of the PPOC guys don't spot their prints or tone them or dodge/burn them. Even before digital there was stripping.


ohh and I didn't throw my name in Remy's hat but maybe i should just to show you so called "pros" how a younger and more successful shooter does it.....maybe you can learn from someone whos actually done some work with Major Publications...

Ah the gauntlet's been thrown....let's see the tear sheets.

[KBear]

Hmmm, Roby, think you are still lost. What does the camera format have to do with anything???? What do bridal shows have to do with anything??? Remember, we are shooting glamour Roby.

Bridal photographers are not generally known to be especially good/creative. What is important is that they get the picture, any picture, rain or shine.


Originally posted by robycapone
also getting into sports photography...

Roby Capone

Earlier you said you are just getting into sports photography, now you are selling pictures for 350 Euros?? or are you just throwing in the 350 Euros to seem impressive.

I have found that guys that talk in terms of equipment are generally useless. Roby, prove me wrong....


And will add, I never said im a pro, Im still on the learning curve.

[Creative Eye]

Ok boys time to move this discussion elsewhere and put it on the line. I'll go start a poll in the lounge. Post links to your 3 best pics.

[KBear]

LOL, you actually started a poll. I will enter, but my hard drive crashed a few days ago and it will take me a bit of time to get pictures up, a day. add, if there is any interest in the poll.

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[shoeboxgirl]

Hi Remyxxx,

We do shoots all the time for the industry.
Let me know what you need.
Bye for now,
Lindsey
www.shoeboxmodels.com

[rubmeister100]

Hey shoeboxgirl...

Time to stop talking like you are a woman named "Lindsey".

I know "Lindsey" and she stoppped recruiting for your hotel room castings well over a year ago when she had a hard time collecting her pay from you and found your recruiting methods questionable.

She said she'd rather work in say, a tanning salon, than work for you.

So, why not simply do like the other guys in the web porn industry and and be yourself instead of pretending you are a girl to make new girls comfortable.

Girls, take it from me with a few hundred posts... this outfit is nothing more than a hobby for a guy with a foot fetish himself. It is not business, it is a way for the guy to get his thrills with promising you fame and big money.

Ask him for contact info on any of his models and see if they'd work for him again.

[shoeboxgirl]

Hmmm.....
I think your newsflash is a little outdated.
I partnered with SBM 3 1/2 months ago after supplying content for them the better part of 6 months. I have never heard of a gal named Lindsey from the tanning salon - whatever that means.
I am a professional photographer with much experience in the adult industry and 100% female, baby. For those interested in my services, please pm me for rates and references.
Who thought a simple post would bring out the crazies.

[zydeco]

Just my 2 cents worth - but rubmeister has it pretty much right on here.

[remyxxx]

Sorry guys the position has been filled.

[rubmeister100]

Originally posted by shoeboxgirl
Hmmm.....
I think your newsflash is a little outdated.
I partnered with SBM 3 1/2 months ago after supplying content for them the better part of 6 months.

"Partnered with" sbm 3 1/2 months ago?

"Supplying content for the better part of six months"?

Why not check your own posting history.

"Lindsey" has been posting "Models Wanted" ads here since May 20, 2003. Almost a year and a half.

If you are not one of the guys themselves, then you must be the latest shill, I mena the latest Lindsey.

I'll tell you who the original "Lindsey" is.

Lindsey is indeed her real name. She is a very, very attractive low key blonde that is really well built. She is a very low key SP with very limited private clientele. She wanted to get out of the business on a first hand basis if you know what I mean.

So, she "partnered" with some guy who promised her the world to help him recruit models. He recognized that girls are more likely to feel comfortable talking to a girl. Which is why he insisted on advertising in Now (back then) posting a woman's name. Because he promised to pay her cellphone bills, she had no reason to not use her real name and her normal cellphone that she would recieve calls from riends and family on.

She worked long and hard and was given a few bucks here and there, always with the promise of more next week. She rang up BIG phone bills that were never reimbursed and sat through "auditions" at fancy downtown Toronto hotels.

Finally sick of being used and played and seeing other girls being used and preyed upon she quit.

[rubmeister100]

Nice site by the way.

I see that many of your photos are from other model's sites, not shot by you at all.

Not surprisingly, the copyrighted photos from other sites are head and shoulders above the hobbyist shoots.

Hope you're having fun!

[Babydon]

I just wanted to see what help was needed and look what I found!!!

Hey Rubmeister... Why you gotta step on people's toes like that?
Shoeboxgirl replied to a post that asked for help, and you gotta slide tackle like you on the Brazil soccer team?
Take it easy on the yayo Renaldo.

I was a guest photographer for SBM a while ago and to be honest, it's much more professional than most set-ups.
5 diamond hotels and all the expensive equipment, model release forms, contracts and in my opinion, over paying the models for non-nude to topless shoots?

Yes SBM is owned by a male, but ALL his staff are female.
Like I said, I was just a guest photgrpher who very much enjoyed the shooting in the environment SBM layed out for me.
And honestly, with the big budget flowing through SBM I highly doubt the owner is doing this ALL for his pleasure - this is TERB and we all know it's much easier and less expensive to see an MPA or SP. SBM was trying to offer a fetish site different from the rest to satisfy those who share the same interests but couldn't do it themselves.

I shake my head at people like Rubmeister who try to cockblock another person's path and tarnish their reputation.
And on another note, having a few hundred posts on THIS board doesn't make you more trusting, but just another pervert with more money or a higher addiction than others to be able to post that much. (No offence to the members)


ANYWAY... I see RemyXXX filled the position so that's cool...

Good luck Remy!!!

And Rubmeister...lol... Stop hatin dude...

[rubmeister100]

Originally posted by Babydon
Hey Rubmeister... Why you gotta step on people's toes like that?

And Rubmeister...lol... Stop hatin dude...

All of his "staff" are female.

And a very nice woman who I spoke about was the original Lindsey. It is her real name and she asked him to stop using it a long time ago. Red the earlier posts and see why her real name was used and why I am "stepping on this guy's toes".

How many staff does he need and does he actually pay them in cash or promises of cash and fame?

The issue I brought up was simply for "Lindsey" to give up the posting as a girl. And to warn other potential "models" that this guy is not who or what he says he is.

Do you believe it is right to make promises of hundred thousand dollar modelling contracts to young girls knowing full well that they are selling their nude images forever for what will ultimately turn out to be a few hundred dollars?

Maybe my "hating" is directed at misleading predatory pornographers and my "love" is more focused towards the girls that these guys prey upon.

Do you remember Holub Modelling and the rest of the modelling agency dream merchants?

Do you know how many young women had their self esteem and faith destroyed by these predators with big promises?

One CAN be in the glamour -heck hard core porn- industry and still act with integrity.

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[shoeboxgirl]

Rubmeister,

Like I said, I think you're info is out of touch.
Come on, put 2+2 together and get past the linear thinking.
Do you really believe that Lindsey, Amanda and Shoeboxgirl are actually real names that refer to real people? Does anyone use their real name in this industry of flesh and fantasy. Is Rubmeister your real name? Honestly, it sounds more and more like your 'real' Lindsey played you and good.

Anyway, this thread started as a posting for Professional Photographer Wanted. I replied since I am a professional female photographer with 8 years experience in this industry - get it - I do this for a living. If you've got nothing better to do than sit around in your underwear and tap, tap, tap on your keyboard, then please have the courtesy of contributing to or starting a relavent topic. Say like - The Crusade for Real Lindsey or Lindsey You Broke My Heart - whatever makes you feel better.

Next, my association with SBM has been absolutely first class.
I've seen a lot of dirt and filth in this business and sure this group is male owned, but female run - and that's the key difference.
Our models have fun and are paid well - no exploitation, no false promises, no pie in the sky.

Our website content consists of more than 12 000 exclusive images - do you understand - the pics were shot by SBM, only for SBM. I think our Guest Gallery threw you off a bit.

Lastly, don't pretend to know me, baby. Obviously, you're fixated on someone and something from sometime ago - fantastic, clap, clap, but don't preach to me. I work in this business everyday - you watch by the window.

[rubmeister100]

Classy response. Nice try to deflect the issue.

I "don't try to know you baby", nor is there any fixation on Lindsay "who played me good".

Funny, I see nothing to indicate anything like that, just passing on my knowledge of someone who got played by the guy running shoeboxmodels.com

What I do see is somebody who has only been "partnered with" SBM for a few months completely disregarding information to simply watch out for being played by these guys because they did it to someone I know a year and a half ago.

So, either you are wilfully ignorant and blissfully stupid or more likely... in light of your agressive defense .... you are one of the guys posing as "Lindsey".

Either way, girls be careful with this outfit.



My sole motivation is to forewarn anyone

[remyxxx]

Cannonball.

[McMaax]

My name is Maax. I am a freelance photographer, logo and graphic design specialist. My images and concepts really push the envelope of sexiness, spice and edge. I have an eye for bringing out the best in you on camera. I especailly love to photograph women as I naturally love them and have an eye for "sex appeal" and can use my skill in making anything you want come to life and stand out with sex appeal and attitude. I also charge the lowest rates in the GTA as that is 100%
guaranteed. Just check out my rates in my services area of my website www.maaximummedia.netfirms.com Please also check out my portfolio and get back to me for all of your digital photography and design needs.

Luv

Maax

You can contact me via:

e-mail pushthemax@hotmail.com
phone 905-884-2794

I return all calls within 1 hour.

[remyxxx]

Originally posted by McMaax
My name is Maax. I am a freelance photographer, logo and graphic design specialist. My images and concepts really push the envelope of sexiness, spice and edge. I have an eye for bringing out the best in you on camera. I especailly love to photograph women as I naturally love them and have an eye for "sex appeal" and can use my skill in making anything you want come to life and stand out with sex appeal and attitude. I also charge the lowest rates in the GTA as that is 100%
guaranteed. Just check out my rates in my services area of my website www.maaximummedia.netfirms.com Please also check out my portfolio and get back to me for all of your digital photography and design needs.

Luv

Maax

You can contact me via:

e-mail pushthemax@hotmail.com
phone 905-884-2794

I return all calls within 1 hour.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?

[remyxxx]

This is a sample of my photographers work: http://exoticremy.com/images/samples/photo46.jpg

[pixiegyrrl]

I'm trying to decide so I can have photos in the next couple weeks.. its down to ..

kbear www.chicerotica.com - nice photos of women on this board! - most affordable prices

Kelly http://www.kellyclipperton.com - photographed friends - rates?

Will http://www.santillophotography.com rates 400-1000

William http://www.zaiden.com/ - photographed friends - rates?

hmm.. had a few offers from gentlemen on the board.. to bring my own camera.. but that would be no better than what I have now - proper lighting is necessary!

[Rezdog]

pixiegyrrl. I sent you a PM relating to this thread.

[shoeboxgirl]

C'mon Rubby - are you still loitering on this thread?

Can you imagine how much spam would swamp this board if everyone like you felt compelled to pass along second hand stories. Each new thread would begin "this one time at band camp, guess what happened to my friend" - seriously, tell me some juicy news that stars you as the main character. Has anything interesting ever happened to you?

I hate to label you as wilfully ignorant or blissfully stupid, but here's a little secret. In the adult industry, you may meet SP's with tales of woe. How they grew up underpriveledged from a broken home. And how they worked 2 jobs just to help their siblings through school and pay for the dog's vet bills.
You know, how they just plan to see a few select clients for the next year or so - just to save up enough money to invest in real estate or start an upscale hair salon. (cue the violins)

Sad to say, but these tales are designed to open your heart AND YOUR WALLET. Seems like your source knew what buttons to push when she cried on your shoulder. So sorry that she missed out on a $100 000 modeling contract, but hopefully you were able to swoop to the rescue and restore her faith in the human race. Incredible how therapeutic a shopping spree is.

Try to remember that not all is as it seems in the world of unicorns and gumdrops ;)

[Sardonicus]

I've been in the biz for a very long time and on many different levels. With all due respect to your above noted comments, I've seen every single imaginable shade of grey.

Type-casting, stereotyping, whatever you want to call it, is not only a naiive thing to do (especially in this biz), but potentially dangerous as well.

If I was a potential model, I'd be terrified to know that the producer hiring me thought so little of me without even knowing who I was or where I came from.

Moreover, if I were to divulge personal aspects of my life only to have you make rash assumptions that my story was full of shit would compel me to believe that you just might be a clear and present danger to my well-being. How so, you might ask?

Well, for starters, are you just as cynical on set? If a girl told you she was uncomfortable, would you believe her then or would you just chalk it up to her trying to take advantage of you and that she'll eventually ask for more money or something to that effect if you were to capitulate and actually accomodate her specific needs?

Your 'perceived' negative opinion of those you depend upon for your bread and butter is cause for alarm. Perhaps I misinterpreted your post. If I did, you have my apology. Personally though, I think you dug a hole for yourself by using that as an example to get your point across.

[rubmeister100]

Hi again Shoeboxgirl du jour!

Yup still loitering her. I'm a John! I like to think that I am still human enough to get played by a girl with a hard luck story.

After all, many of the girls in the sex industry have a genuine hard luck story. Too often it gets worse when they get fucked over by a cold hearted opportunistic predator. Like whoever the "shoeboxgirl" of the week who wrote the above message.

Funny thing is that the Lindsay I'm speaking of never asked me for anything more than the money I gave her for our time together. She never asked me to step in to help her collect the money she was owed by you, despite her knowledge of my ability and resources to make it happen.

All she said is that the guys running shoebox models were creepy foot fetishists who used the site to facilitate their personal fetishes. That it was not a money maker and that they got their kicks out of interviewing all these girls. She said she felt sick about being the "procurer" and leading these girls on. Finally, she tired of the promises of money and when she kept being promised to be paid and never was, she quit.

Maybe you guys learned and are now paying whoever your shill is. Maybe you'll start paying your other bills so that you can advertise more places. Like on TERB for instance!

Along with your responses, the reactions of other members and the PM's of several others to me one thing is for sure, you clearly define yourself as the lowest level of pornographer and man.

You're right, you're on the inside. You work in "the industry" I'm only looking in from the outside. Hopefully, your picture of those on the inside of the industy will make at least one girl reading this think again before she gets on "the inside" with shoeboxmodels.

[Maya25]

Can I be the makeup artist please...

[zydeco]

Sardonicus - I think you astutely interpreted that post.

[tonymontana.jr]

Can I be the FLUFFER?

[shoeboxgirl]

Rubby, sorry to keep you waiting....

Again, as I sift through all your banter, I can't help but think your anger is misdirected. Surely, you're not upset with me for your
girlfriend's experience from 2.5 years ago. I came on board about a year ago and I've witnessed nothing but professionalism.

My 8 years in this industry as a female photographers has opened my eyes when sometimes I wished they were closed.
But, what you're saying just doesn't add up and I can't understand why you would be so passionate as to make such disparaging comments about people that you don't know and a situation that is second hand. Our esteemed friend, Sardonicus, said he'd be terrified to think someone had drawn pre-disposed conclusions without knowing anything about him or where he came from. He even declared it potentially dangerous. Hmmm....
makes you wonder, doesn't it? I mean really, just for a second put your bravado aside.....

My experience with SBM is first hand and I've never known a model to be promised a $100 000 contract. Never, ever in my 8 years either - it just doesn't happen at this level - it's laughable. And no one, but you it seems, would believe it. Our models are overpaid compared to my independent work! Hey, I'm proud of what I do, so pick your bone somewhere else. I'm sure the gals on Terb are smart enough to make up their owns minds.

Almost forgot....Sardonicus - give your head a shake.
Modeling is not an SP environment. Models don't pretend to like me just because they're getting paid. I don't judge them and they don't judge me. If we become friends, and I have lots in the industry, it's because we genuinely have a commom interest outside of the 90 minutes that I'm a photographer and they're a model.

[rubmeister100]

Sift through my banter again and read it.

You are picking and choosing and mixing and matching.

Simply, someone I knew was the "front" for the guy who runs shoeboxmodels.com as an extension of his personal fetish. She was not a model.

She was promised simply to be paid, along with her cell phone expenses etc. for answering the responses to ads placed in newspapers etc.

She had to chase the guy for the money... ALL THE TIME!

After a while she realized she was being played as were many of the girls she was recruiting on his behalf.



I do not beleive there are legitimate $100,000 modelling contracts to be had by many.

However, modelling agencies (and the parasitic "portfolio photographers" who feed off them) do make suich promises to young girls. Ever heard of Holub Modelling Agency?

In addition to ripping these girls off for overpriced portfolios etc. they also hurt a lot of these girls emotionally.

If you have had good experiences with this group... good for you.

If you so passionately disbelieve and dismiss out of hand the details of my messages, while admitting that you ostensibly weren't even around when these things occurred.... then I can only pass along some pilot advice:

"Learn from the mistakes of others, no one lives long enough to make them all themself"

[Sardonicus]

Originally posted by shoeboxgirl


Almost forgot....Sardonicus - give your head a shake.
Modeling is not an SP environment. Models don't pretend to like me just because they're getting paid. I don't judge them and they don't judge me. If we become friends, and I have lots in the industry, it's because we genuinely have a commom interest outside of the 90 minutes that I'm a photographer and they're a model.

I beg your pardon? Are you that naiive to assume that I don't know the difference?

I've been biting my tongue, but since you've engaged me, you're esteemed boss indeed has a rep of NOT paying. I brokered his ads here on Terb for a short while. That is until I grew tired of chasing him for the money.

It would appear that there are several out here who are clearly aware of the ethics that your organization displays. Best to quit the argument before you dig so far that you can't climb back out.