Paul Martin Fires Carolyn Parrish!

[Dabbler]

Finally.................... A long overdue musing from Dabbler

[xarir]

She's entitled to her opinion of course, but she should have found more diplomatic ways of expressing them. More to the point, as a Member of Parliament she should have found constructive ways of making situations better instead of just pissing about them.

Good riddance.

[BeaverCleaver]

Anybody know where I can get one of those George Bush dolls? I want to photograph him getting a BJ from his intern, Barbie. Then when he denies it under oath, the impeachment process can begin...

[Malibook]

Everybody is entitled to their opinions but even young children express them with more maturity and class than her.

I expect much more from an adult especially one who is supposed to be representing her constituency and country.

She seems like she is an attention seeking drama queen to me.

I'm not a big fan of W but I can't stand this bitch!

[drlove]

She had it coming.

[stainless]

Her antics were tolerated by that idiot Chreten. Glad to hear Martin has some backbone

[stang]

Yeah Paulie!!!! Good decision.

I hope he pointed at her across a boardroom table and said "You're Fired!"

[Dabbler]

Yea Ha.... this is a new forum for discourse...Inception....Poiltical Science101....Beer induced musing from Dabbler

[Peeping Tom]

But, as an indie she can still attend the sessions ... so, on the Day Bush gives the address, what will they do with her? I guess security will prevent her from entering the building ... it would be far better if they let her in, bound in a straightjacket and gagged ...

[onthebottom]

Originally posted by Peeping Tom
But, as an indie she can still attend the sessions ... so, on the Day Bush gives the address, what will they do with her? I guess security will prevent her from entering the building ... it would be far better if they let her in, bound in a straightjacket and gagged ...

or let her make a fool of herself - might serve Martin and Bush both to have a foe in common.

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[Booya]

Originally posted by stainless
Her antics were tolerated by that idiot Chreten. Glad to hear Martin has some backbone

If Martin had a backbone he would have done it a long time ago. She was darring him to do it.... So long you stupid bitch!

[Peeping Tom]

On a more serious note, she cannot be allowed anywhere near the POTUS. She exhibits signs of mental illness and I wouldn't take a chance of letting her do it palestine style.

[onthebottom]

Originally posted by Peeping Tom
On a more serious note, she cannot be allowed anywhere near the POTUS. She exhibits signs of mental illness and I wouldn't take a chance of letting her do it palestine style.

Just what we need, the Secret Service wacking a Canadian MP, that would really help international relations.

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[happygrump]

Parrish is an embarassment to civilized discourse. Good freakin riddance.

[papasmerf]

Great
Now she has even more time to stalk Bush. The lady is a nutjob.

[onthebottom]

Originally posted by bbking
Why is it you righties think that anyone who says something against what you believe that they are mental ill. While Parrish should have been booted several years ago from the Liberal party, she has recieved several mandates from her riding that shows she has significant support despite her ramblings. I am unaware of any criminal threats she has made and your comment shows the ignorance and intolorence that some more extreme members of the right show to any challenges to their point of view.

Now I challenge you to define what signs she shows of mental illness, the type of mental illness that you feel Parish shows, if you can't then I suggest you keep your bigoted comments to yourself and stop pushing sterotypes.


bbk

I doubt she's really crazy, just mad, immature, undisciplined and fond of her image as a counter USA force. Tempest in a teacup. I don't know any Americans who know who she is or care.

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[danmand]

Lat night on Global news, they sent a reporter to the street to ask people if they thought GWB is a "chief" or a "chump". The results are in, Chief 5 Chump 20.
(that is before the results are sent to florida for retabulation)

[langeweile]

IMHO what Martin did was wrong.
Everybody has the right of free speech, should be allowed to criticise their leader and has the right to be stupid as well.
She was elected by her people even after she made her first comments, which tells me that her riding is supporting her position. Withe the high probability of a new election in Canada, the voter should decide her faith.

Some Canadians have asked me how an issue like that would play out in the USA. Since I am not American by birth and have only spend the last 17 years there I am not sure. I can't recall ever hearing about a D or an R being kicked out of a party, especially if he was elected.
I know there is some Americans here on this board I was curious to hear if they ever heard of such a thing.

[Roma]

Her riding is in support of the Liberal Party and that is why she was elected. The fact is that people in ridings are usually voting for the leader of the party and not the candidate. I'm sure some people will disagree with that, but I believe it to be true most of the time.

In my opinion Carolyn Parrish is an insignificant member of parliment who is trying to make a name for her self by being controversial rather than making an intelligent contribution. I believe in free speech, of course, but childish comments are not what we expect from elected officials. We should expect constructive remarks and ideas. My guess is she has none. If she expressed her opinions in a positive way, most people would respect them.

It will never happen, because the media loves this stuff, but the best thing to happen would be that no one shows up for her press conference this afternoon. Why feed her hunger for attention?

[onthebottom]

Originally posted by danmand
Lat night on Global news, they sent a reporter to the street to ask people if they thought GWB is a "chief" or a "chump". The results are in, Chief 5 Chump 20.
(that is before the results are sent to florida for retabulation)

That's scientific but probably not far off, in the US you couldn't five out of 25 who knew who the PM of Canada was.

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[langeweile]

Originally posted by bbking
Boy! you really don't understand Canadian politics. If I where you I would spend a little time on the subject before you shoot arrows at Martin and say he has infringed free speech. Canadian and US politics are not even remotely close to one another.

Once again Lange you shoot off your big mouth about something you know nothing about and expect Canadians to tow the American line. NOTE: not all democracies have evolved around the American model so until you understand the Canadian model, I fail to see how any critic by yourself would be relevant.


bbk

While you are absolutely correct that I don't have nearly the knowledge on canadian politics than you might have. I am not sure how my lack of knowledge disqualifies me from having an opinion.
Free speech is not unique to the USA. Free speech is as the word says FREE. How one elected leader can override the will of the people just makes me shiver. This is an opinion and not a factual statement.
I am not here to make relevant statements to anybody. i am here to express my opinion. You can chose to listen and react or ignore it. Makes absolutely no difference to me.

BBK if there is one constant on this board it is your intolerance and your elitism towards people that don't share your views.
In any case , it makes for good entertainment.

[langeweile]

Originally posted by Roma
Her riding is in support of the Liberal Party and that is why she was elected. The fact is that people in ridings are usually voting for the leader of the party and not the candidate. I'm sure some people will disagree with that, but I believe it to be true most of the time.

In my opinion Carolyn Parrish is an insignificant member of parliment who is trying to make a name for her self by being controversial rather than making an intelligent contribution. I believe in free speech, of course, but childish comments are not what we expect from elected officials. We should expect constructive remarks and ideas. My guess is she has none. If she expressed her opinions in a positive way, most people would respect them.

It will never happen, because the media loves this stuff, but the best thing to happen would be that no one shows up for her press conference this afternoon. Why feed her hunger for attention?

i am not saying what she said is not childish or stupid. What rubs me the wrong way is, that Martin can just decide to kick her out. This should be left to the voters.

[Roma]

Originally posted by langeweile
i am not saying what she said is not childish or stupid. What rubs me the wrong way is, that Martin can just decide to kick her out. This should be left to the voters.

He didn't kick her out of the commons. Only the party. He has that right.

[onthebottom]

Lang,

I think you may be a bit confused. The aforementioned b*tch is still an MP representing her constituents but no longer part of the thieving Liberal political party.

Roma's point (and a real weakness of the Canadian political system) is that her constituents were likely not voting FOR her but FOR her party (Liberals) too keep the thieves in power over the meany Conservatives. Much like John Kerry was just the ham sandwich that the ABB folks were not voting FOR but were voting AGAINST Bush. The comments you've read about her potentially losing her seat mean that if she is no longer a Liberal member she may not get many votes as she will no longer be a vehicle to keep the thieving Liberals in power.

bbking, you may want to try and educate / lead instead of just berate. I have this problem myself so it's just a friendly suggestion, not an attack on your character.

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[danmand]

Originally posted by langeweile
i am not saying what she said is not childish or stupid. What rubs me the wrong way is, that Martin can just decide to kick her out. This should be left to the voters.

(PM)**2 can't kick her out of parliment, she was voted in by her riding, and sits there untill the next election. It is not even easy for him to kick her out of the liberal party.
What he can do, and did, is to kick her out of the liberal caucus in parliment, but that is a faily empty gesture for a minority government.

It all comes down to the voters in her riding, as it would in the US.

[langeweile]

Originally posted by Roma
He didn't kick her out of the commons. Only the party. He has that right.

I understand she will be an independent. If Martin has the right to do what he did, that's ok too. I guess i am the only one her that finds that a bit of too much power in one persons hand.
What if the issue would be a serious one? Wouldn't that be a convinient way for a leader to squash his opposition?

[Roma]

No. He actually weakens his govorment by kicking her out

[langeweile]

Originally posted by Roma
No. He actually weakens his govorment by kicking her out

yeah to a degree.
He goes from a minority to a smaller minority? Not sure it has a real impact.

[langeweile]

Originally posted by danmand
(PM)**2 can't kick her out of parliment, she was voted in by her riding, and sits there untill the next election. It is not even easy for him to kick her out of the liberal party.
What he can do, and did, is to kick her out of the liberal caucus in parliment, but that is a faily empty gesture for a minority government.

It all comes down to the voters in her riding, as it would in the US.

What exactly is the liberal caucus?

[onthebottom]

bbking,

I had a hard time reading "at least ours is honest and in the open" with a straight face when we are talking about your thieving Liberals. That was a bit rich.

All political parties try and enforce discipline, some do a better job of it than others. You’ll notice the love that Zell Miller received from his part at the end of his term ;-)

I don't understand the caucus thing either - can you (or anyone) explain it to a simple Yank - remember, use small words.

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[langeweile]

Originally posted by bbking
I would exactly say that - I do have a low tolerance for people who don't even bother to understand the issue before shooting off their mouth.

And what especially annoys me are people who think they can equate the US system to Canada. You can't and this wasn't about free speech, you took a major leap to imply that our politians are not afforded the same rights as yours. BTW what happens to a Republican Congressman who is critical of the Speaker or Tom Delay - you really think they get the good committe assignments, do they get the funds they need in the next election - if you think nothing happens Lange then you need to give your head a shake.
I wonder what Govern't respects free speech more, the one that boots their ass out of the party or the one that silences them out of fear and keeps them in the party. At least ours is honest and in the open.


bbk

If you would take the time to read and understand what I wrote, you would notice that i have never implied a different standard. As a matter of fact i have posted the question of standard in the USA to the board.
Funds for elections are raised by the individual running for office. You are right, probably if you piss off the wrong guy you might not get the good assignments.
I still don't make the connection to my original post. Stop being so paranoid and defensive all the time.

[antaeus]

There is more to this story than presented in the media. Any person who can achieve what CP has doesn't do what she did without some as yet unknown inputs. Still, pretty moronic, but there's more to this and it may take years but some of it will come out.

[danmand]

The liberal caucus is the collection of liberal party members of parliment and the senate.

[langeweile]

Originally posted by antaeus
There is more to this story than presented in the media. Any person who can achieve what CP has doesn't do what she did without some as yet unknown inputs. Still, pretty moronic, but there's more to this and it may take years but some of it will come out.

Interesting thought.
I was listening to the CBC last night, they had some interview (sorry but I forgot the name) with some MP, that was good friends with her. He seemed perplex as to her reactions over the past two month and was refering to some issues around a "tough nomination battle". It got my attention because i remember there was some issues around Sheila Cobb as well.
Unfrotunately I haven't been in Canada long enough to understand some of the history and background. Maybe those two aren't connected at all.

[langeweile]

Originally posted by danmand
The liberal caucus is the collection of liberal party members of parliment and the senate.

Are those the members that are sitting either inparliament and senate? Apart from the party as a whole?

[danmand]

affirmative

[langeweile]

Merci Beaucop

[superquad1968]

Beaucoup! Get it right! :)

In all seriousness the minority is slimer now that a Liberal-NDP alliance is one shorter than the rest of the house.

Will she come back and bite the Liberal party in the a#@?

[langeweile]

Originally posted by superquad1968
Beaucoup! Get it right! :)

In all seriousness the minority is slimer now that a Liberal-NDP alliance is one shorter than the rest of the house.

Will she come back and bite the Liberal party in the a#@?

Sorry Dude..non parlais francaise..Ich spreche kein franzoesisch

[Peeping Tom]

I'm guessing that she will sit as an indie and lean left of the NDP. She will still vote left regardless. So, no net effect unless she wants to destroy the government. Which is quite likely - she will think she's going down in blazes, despite the public's perception of her going out in a straightjacket.


Originally posted by superquad1968

In all seriousness the minority is slimer now that a Liberal-NDP alliance is one shorter than the rest of the house.

Will she come back and bite the Liberal party in the a#@?

[Dabbler]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by langeweile
[B]IMHO what Martin did was wrong.


langeweile, Paul Martin finally did the right thing, it was long overdue. Carolyn Parrish has publically stated she had no loyalty to the current Liberal government headed by Paul Martin. Her most recent incident involved screaming at members of her own caucus during a meeting. She has also consistently made anti-american and anti-Bush comments that are are undermining Martin's stated goal of improving relations with the current US administration. I hope this information helps clarify this situation for you.......Cheers for now, Dabbler

[Peeping Tom]

It is way too much power in one hand. That is the nature of our system - absolute political power. Like the princes of old, just elected (and with no term limit). There are no checks and balances, no divisions of power. Inside Commons the PM holds a party whip; within the party he may as well be Stalin. If a MP doesn't like it, the only recourse is to stand up and sit on the opposition benches. There is a Senate, alas these are appointed party hacks, appointed for life. The life appointment occasionally causes problems, in which case the PM is free to stuff the Senate, adding enough new fiefs to tip things in his favor.

BTW we do have judicial review and this is the only thing separating our system from the police states of europe. Too bad it's poor judicial review - imagine the 9th CCA on crack. Not only do these bishops legislate from the bench, in details from today's ruling it looks like they abrogate the right to administer from the bench :eek:

And of course one past PM threatened to add more bishops of his own flavor if things didn't go his way ...


Originally posted by langeweile
I guess i am the only one her that finds that a bit of too much power in one persons hand.

[Peeping Tom]

Your post is pretty much spot on. This MP sold out the interests of their constituents, who lost their voice in the ruling government. Instead, they have to wait four years to get rid of an idiot whose greatest accomplisment over the next four years will be the role of heckler.

If she understood the standards of decency she would have done the right thing - resign.


Originally posted by Roma

In my opinion Carolyn Parrish is an insignificant member of parliment who is trying to make a name for her self by being controversial rather than making an intelligent contribution. I believe in free speech, of course, but childish comments are not what we expect from elected officials. We should expect constructive remarks and ideas. My guess is she has none. If she expressed her opinions in a positive way, most people would respect them.

[The Baroness]

Serves the bitch right for being mean to my Georgie.

[papasmerf]

Originally posted by The Baroness
Serves the bitch right for being mean to my Georgie.


whips and a conservitive too

Can it get any better????????

[Dabbler]

Originally posted by Peeping Tom
Your post is pretty much spot on. This MP sold out the interests of their constituents, who lost their voice in the ruling government. Instead, they have to wait four years to get rid of an idiot whose greatest accomplisment over the next four years will be the role of heckler.

If she understood the standards of decency she would have done the right thing - resign.

I seem to remember hearing/reading that Parrish's federal riding has a sizeable Moslem constituency... Perhaps her initial anti-american rhetoric was directed towards this voting block in a tight election campagin...However in my opinion it has become quite obvious that she is now nothing more than a clownish anti-american caricature...I believe her inflamatory, ignorant, self serving comments only reinforces the perception of Canada as a unrealiable, unappreciative, fairweather friend towards our American neighbours... Hopefully Carolyn Parrish will now be consigned to where she truly belongs, 'Irrelevance'...Anybody else like the idea proposed by the NDP, representation based on popular vote?...Beer induced musing from Dabbler

[Egor]

It's not hard to see through Parrish's rather infantile tactics.

She admits to having a major beef with Paul Martin and the Liberal party. But rather than standing up and openly rejecting the party, she has deliberately engaged in obnoxious behaviour until the Liberals were forced to reject her. Fairly disingenuous, I would say.

As for the defense that she is simply exercising her right to free speech .... ridiculous. Peter Mansbridge has a right to free speech - would you tolerate a newscast filled with insults and profanity? Would you accept it from your teenage children ... your doctor ... the clerk at your local government office? Enough said.

The big irony here is that Parrish and most of her defenders have been quite critical of the U.S. electorate for voting G. Bush into office. Hey .... take a look at some of the morons us Canadians elected .... i.e. one Carolyn Parrish!

It's okay - her 15 minutes of fame will be over soon. So now there are 2 independent members sitting in the House of Commons. What's the name of the other one? Exactly.

[zydeco]

Long over due!

[langeweile]

Originally posted by Egor
It's not hard to see through Parrish's rather infantile tactics.

She admits to having a major beef with Paul Martin and the Liberal party. But rather than standing up and openly rejecting the party, she has deliberately engaged in obnoxious behaviour until the Liberals were forced to reject her. Fairly disingenuous, I would say.

As for the defense that she is simply exercising her right to free speech .... ridiculous. Peter Mansbridge has a right to free speech - would you tolerate a newscast filled with insults and profanity? Would you accept it from your teenage children ... your doctor ... the clerk at your local government office? Enough said.

The big irony here is that Parrish and most of her defenders have been quite critical of the U.S. electorate for voting G. Bush into office. Hey .... take a look at some of the morons us Canadians elected .... i.e. one Carolyn Parrish!

It's okay - her 15 minutes of fame will be over soon. So now there are 2 independent members sitting in the House of Commons. What's the name of the other one? Exactly.

Free speech and democracy includes your right of being stupid. CP has chosen to be stupid. Personally think she is a bitch and doesn't deserve any better.
Hey it's your goverment and it is your system. If you think it's ok, than who i am to complain about it. I am just a guest here.
Peace out.

[prongo]

Originally posted by BeaverCleaver
Anybody know where I can get one of those George Bush dolls? I want to photograph him getting a BJ from his intern, Barbie. Then when he denies it under oath, the impeachment process can begin...

You asked, You got it.

https://www.toypresidents.com/view_product_noflash.asp?pid=1

Maybe they have a toy dog and pretzel.

PLus maybe they have like Barbie Friends of the family Binder Bush; his Suadi buddy.

[prongo]

Originally posted by langeweile
Free speech and democracy includes your right of being stupid. CP has chosen to be stupid. Personally think she is a bitch and doesn't deserve any better.
Hey it's your goverment and it is your system. If you think it's ok, than who i am to complain about it. I am just a guest here.
Peace out.

Canada does not have free speech.

And the the loss of freedoms is closing even more, recent news, US frims dealing with Canada or Canadians must divulge info to US Govenment Agencies.

The Police can monitor your homes using infrared technolgyu without getting a warrant.

Who or policing the police or government.

She has a chance to say something or substance her window is closing or closed.

[blitz]

Huh?

[n_v]

Originally posted by blitz
Huh?
My thoughts exactly.

[red]

Originally posted by prongo
Canada does not have free speech.

And the the loss of freedoms is closing even more, recent news, US frims dealing with Canada or Canadians must divulge info to US Govenment Agencies.

The Police can monitor your homes using infrared technolgyu without getting a warrant.

Who or policing the police or government.

She has a chance to say something or substance her window is closing or closed.

she still is a MP and still has the right to express her views- she was fired from caucus for not abiding by the party line. It was the right thing to do, she was merely obnoxious

[islandboy]

Well I am from the States and do not like Bush. With that caveat, the mannor in which she conducted herself in respect to Bush was "Boorish". If she is also that far below standard when aruguing for her constituants, does she get anything done for them? Just curious.

[n_v]

She is very popular in her riding. Why else would she get re-elected time and again?

[red]

apathy

[langeweile]

Originally posted by red
apathy

Sorry i disagree. She is playing to the 50% Canadians that are scared of the USA.

[red]

Originally posted by langeweile
Sorry i disagree. She is playing to the 50% Canadians that are scared of the USA.

I don't think there are any canadians afraid of the U.S. - they may not agree with US policies, but i don't think anyone is afraid of the US

[n_v]

Both of you are wrong. Her riding is not apathtic nor scared of the US. She really is popular in her riding. My gut feeling is we won't hear the last of her.