Al-Jazeera quality journalism

[Cinema Face]

:D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4229347.stm

I wish I'd thought of that when I was a kid, playing with my GI Joe.

[Asterix]

You gotta like that they apparently used the little toy gun that came in the package. Notice you don't see anyone's hand actually holding it. Guess they couldn't find any little dolls in balaclavas to stand behind him.

[islandboy]

This particular media outlet gets a lots of attention and bac press but I once read that it was staffed by a lot of ex BBC journalists. Is this true? Is so, what does it say about the BBC and journalists in general. I remember knowing a graduate student in journalism (a very long time ago) who was dumb asa a brick when it came to understanding the world yet he is quite prominent today. (Not that you would immediately think of him but he does have an influential job.)
In many ways I think that only jounalists trained in an area - say law, medicine, diplomacy - coudl ever be expectated of having a chance of being fair and accurate. If this is so, why are they any better than the memebers of this board?

[Don]

This particular media outlet gets a lots of attention and bac press but I once read that it was staffed by a lot of ex BBC journalists. Is this true?

I believe that many of them were in fact ex-CNN journalists.

[onthebottom]

They could work for CBS if they were willing to deny the obvious for a few weeks!

OTB

[onthebottom]

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While OTB would liken Al-jeezera to CBS, I would liken it to Fox. :p

bbk

Pleeeze - fake sources is very CBS.

OTB

[slowpoke]

Umm, can I just ask where in this story does it mention anything about al-Jazeera?

Doesn't seem to matter. The debate rages on regardless. Funny!!!

[onthebottom]

Well no kidding. Who the hell are these people dumping all over al-Jazeera when there's no evidence of any kind they played any role in this whole thing. I think Islandboy and OTB are no better than CBS on this one.

My plan is to deny it for 6 weeks and then blame a staffer.

OTB

[slowpoke]

Why should a simple little detail like that spoil a good argument? They probably feel that one Arab site is the same as the next. Just like many neocons like to lump everyone on the left together, as if they were all singing in the same choir.

[onthebottom]

Why should a simple little detail like that spoil a good argument? They probably feel that one Arab site is the same as the next. Just like many neocons like to lump everyone on the left together, as if they were all singing in the same choir.

I think that was CBS's view, and many who defended them on this board.

OTB

[cyrus]

Isn't the flag behind the toy the Al-Jeezera call sign. I know I'm reaching. I still stand by the fact that Al-Jeezera has been cooking the stories to play to their audience.


bbk

and to needle OTB - like FOX
Interesting . . . I thought you only read Jerusalem Post!

[cyrus]

Oh God another Donkey fellater ... Oh I get it, because I don't let you get away with anti-semitic comments you think I read the Jerusalem Post - very sly of you - you almost pulled one over on ole bee bee. :rolleyes:


pats Cyrus on the head and sends him on his way with a boot to his ass


bbk
Hmmm . . . great, now because I implied that you read Jerusalem Post, I am an anti-Semitic! sure, you guys seem always,some how, manage to find a new meaning for this word on an on going basis soon need the whole chapter in Webster Dictionary dedicated to it.

[Asterix]

Isn't the flag behind the toy the Al-Jeezera call sign. I know I'm reaching. I still stand by the fact that Al-Jeezera has been cooking the stories to play to their audience.


bbk

and to needle OTB - like FOX

Yeah, you are reaching. Don't know what it says behind the doll, but it doesn't look anything like Aljazeera in arabic. I went to their english web site and could find no reference to this photograph or the story. Seems they weren't silly enough to try and put it up.

[Cinema Face]

There’s no mention of Al-Jazeera on that link but there is on the page I got the link from. I got it from here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146179,00.html

I got a chuckle from this and I thought it’s worth sharing.

BTW, yychobbyist. Calm down! Did you think I wrongly accused your beloved Al-Jazeera? :)

[zog]

I still stand by the fact that Al-Jeezera has been cooking the stories to play to their audience.When did this become a fact?

We start with a news story that has no reference to al-jazeera and it turns into a festival of bashing that network! Kind of reminds me of how the US went to war with Iraq because of 9/11...only there was actually no connection there either.

I suppose that some people like to feel that al-jazeera is evil because they broadcast in Arabic to a largely middle-eastern audience. Since none (or very few, anyway) of us actually watch this network or even understand Arabic, isn't it a little naive to think that we can make accusations about their journalistic ethics?

Where do you guys get your information that makes you so sure this network is faking news and misrepresenting events? Since you clearly don't get it from first-hand observations in the middle-east combined with personal review of the network broadcast, you don't have anything to back up your position. Don't tell me that you believe the American media enough to accept their word for it?

What ever happend to people being honest in a discussion or debate? Why do people feel the need to repeat what they've heard or made up in their heads as tough it was an established fact when it's really just hearsay or fiction? There's nothing wrong with admitting that your are repeating information you heard or read elsewhere; it can even be interesting and worth mentioning in a discussion. What's wrong is to use words like "fact" when there are no facts to back up your statement.

[cyrus]

No kidding, Al-Jazeera popularity with the world masses is due to the fact that it is considered as an alternative source of news to the CNN- USA / Israeli propaganda
So of course it is a primary target of Zionist lobbyist to undermine its gain in influence with the West.
Having said that you should know, the license for the broadcast in Canada has been postponed for the second year in the row due to the strong objection by the Jewish lobbyist as a source of Anti-Sem. . . . You guess it, the whole same old trick!

[Asterix]

Cinema Face,

I'm having a hard time corroborating that Aljazeera had anything to do with promoting this hoax. Went to their web site and could find no reference to it. No big surprise there as they would likely have yanked it by now. So I tried doing searches at MSNBC, CNN, Reuters and BBC news. All have the story, but no mention of Aljazeera. Yahoo and Google? Plenty of links to the story; references of a tie-in to Aljazeera, zilch. Back to Fox news. They refer to the headline, but have no links or pictures showing it. No help there. Since I'm sure Fox News wouldn't lie, it must be that my search skills aren't up to the task. A little help?

[cyrus]

Boy I wasn't aware that Time Warner is wholely owned by Jews or your words Zionists. In fact I believe the largest shareholder maybe that good ole boy Ted Turner. BTW Cyrus CNN is a Time Warner Company.

Your BS is getting very old - the fact remains that Al-Jeezera reports it's news in a slanted manner - and while we expect the media in all nations (that includes the US) to have a bias towards it's audience, Al Jeezera has time and time again take small parts of a story and overblow them. I only have to point to the reporting Al-Jeezera last Sunday - despite the fact that they have no one in Iraq, they reported to the Arab World that a bloodbath was ongoing and innocent Iraqi's were being forced at gunpoint to go and vote by Americans.

Now as for Al-Jeezera not being allowed into Canada - it's application has been challenged by the Federal Government due to possible violations of Canada's hate laws. As far as I know no application has been put forward by any Jewish group although I do know they voiced their opposition to the idea as have many people like myself who are not Jewish and have far more political power than the Jewish Community. Don't expect to see Al-Jeezera in Canada anytime soon if ever.

How you are allowed time and time again to spew this skinhead message of yours is beyond me.

Now I challenge you to provide the proof that the ownership, board of directors are Zionists. BTW you donkey fellater - Zionist means one who supports a Jewish Homeland - what you mean defies common sense. If you can't supply this proof - then shutup.



bbk

In direct reply to your Q, I am not surprised at all that you play so dull on this topic but anyone with an intelligence of a frog knows that much of the Media, that matters, are owned by people of Jewish background (with a few that strongly support the Zionist Agenda: Conrad Black,David Radler, Tom Rose, W. Colson . . .) or have strong ties with Zionist as well as the fact that they employ many of there supporters in a position of power i.e., editorial Bret Stephens,Mark Kipnis . . .etc These facts are indisputable and not even you can deny them


Nothing wrong with gaining power and influence in a democratic and capitalist system by a hardworking and industrialized group, but people at large also have the right to know that a few of those who have the power with agenda could skew the balance in support of one over the other. Canadian licensing issues surrounding the Al-Jeezera is an excellent example of such a push to keep the balance in favor of the status quote and that is CNN, Fox .. .

As for you keep challenging me on the world Zionist.
Zionist is a person who supports the state of Israel openly or covertly
Not softly or lovingly! (Jew or not I don't care!)

From the right-wing Jews who took up a ‘terrorist’ struggle against UN in late 40’s. Including the Ex-premier Shamir who proudly proclaimed his terrorist past, to the Jews who are currently sitting in the congress of USA and pass legislations in the support of their so called ally, “Israel”. After all a wolf in a sheep skin is still a wolf!
All in return for Israel to continue to play the role of the defender of US strategic and oil interests in the Middle East.
Now if you insist, then fine, I would be more than happy to quote you the whole history of Zionism! "the real one"
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/wpnz/oct8-00zionism.htm

[Peeping Tom]

I have seen stupidity posted in here before but this moron really raises the bar :rolleyes:


I am not surprised at all that you play so stupid on this topic but anyone with an intelligence of a frog knows that much of the Media, that matters, are owned by people of Jewish background or have strong ties with Zionist as well as the fact that they employ many of there supporters in a position of power i.e., editorial etc These facts are indisputable and not even you can deny them

[cyrus]

I have seen stupidity posted in here before but this moron really raises the bar :rolleyes:
Go back to your Peeping since it seems your intelligence is even less that a frog!

[slowpoke]

Go back to your Peeping since it seems your intelligence is even less that a frog!

Well said! I would wholeheartedly agree (if I wasn't so PC and terrified that the implied insult to frogs would result in unintended future repercussions....you can't be too careful these days...)

[onthebottom]

Well said! I would wholeheartedly agree (if I wasn't so PC and terrified that the implied insult to frogs would result in unintended future repercussions....you can't be too careful these days...)

This really raises the bar on political debate - what's next you guys going to put each other on ignore?

OTB

[slowpoke]

This really raises the bar on political debate - what's next you guys going to put each other on ignore?

OTB

Which guys? I agree with cyrus about shit-for-brains Peeping Tom and have never felt the urge to put him (cyrus) on ignore if that's what you're suggesting. As far as putting Peeping Tom on ignore, I would hate to miss out on his surreal interpretation of the outside world. A little comic relief is always welcome. They say a good laugh is therapeutic....

[zog]

Go back to your Peeping since it seems your intelligence is even less that a frog!That's relly clever Cyrus. When you can't make a cogent point, you can always resort to making fun of someone's handle. I'll have to remember that if my IQ ever drops below room temperature.