"I Love What I Do!" - A Thread For Thought!

[Willywants]

A Question For Hobbyists!

Ever notice when tripping through various SP sites, either Indy or Agency, or when your fingering through the ads in Eye, Now or the Sun, or when you finally succumb and sign into RZ, how many of the ladie's bios suggest the following;
"I like what I do!"
"I love my job!"
"I really enjoy what I do!"

Do you really believe them or do you see such statements as enticements?
Are the ladies trying to convince a potential client or are they trying to convince themselves?
Such declarations would suggest to the hobbyist that a stellar performance is implicit!
Have any of you made your decision to see a particular lady because she "enjoys what she does" and then found that she is less than enthusiastic?

A Question For SP's

For those of you who use such a statement, is it said tongue in cheek or is it absolutely truthful?
Hobbyists enjoy what they do for the variety, the sex, the company, the addiction!
Do SP's enjoy what they do for the variety, the company, or do you also become addicted to the sex??
How many of you grit your teeth, endure the encounter and then leave a bit happier for the money now in your pocket?
Can you really enjoy being with men of all shapes, sizes, hygienic habits and looks on an ongoing basis and honestly say "I like what I do"?
Do you have to place yourself in a certain mindset in order to continue?
How many are really disenchanted, and, given an opportunity for other employment with the same earning potential, would leave the business?
Quite a few I suspect!

Don't know why I asked these questions! Maybe something the wife said or did!

Willywants (the real truth of it!)

[Jenn_angel]

I will leave for the day on this note...

I do love what I do... I went back to doing it by choice...

Mind you I do have some issues... I hate it when people try to talk me down on my rate... I hate it when people are rude on the phone... I hate it when people call once and hang up... Hello I have a life too! I hate it when people forget... That I am a person too!

The thing is... That it has happened once when I did not manage to figure it out on the phone... Other then that... 99% of my bookings are great... I like the person... And quite frankly... I would not stay if I didn't... Trust me I have walked out more then once... And refused bookings more then once...

I honestly like the people I see... I just regret that sometimes the 30 people on the phone before that person really pi$$ed me off... And I end up loosing my paitence with someone who is a really nice person.

[Sheik]

I'll tell you this Willy, I love my job too....*lol*

Several ladies I know truly love this job. But the vast majority do not "love" it, but enjoy it and some dislike it but do it entirely for the $$ factor alone.

[Alanis]

Ok girls:

If money were not involved, would you yet do it? Almost a rhetorical question, but I am curious as to how you feel on this one.

See, I like meeting new, sensual, attractive, exciting people and flirting with them shamelessly. To me, enticing in a courtship game is a form of an art. Now, if I REALLY like it, I don't need to charge money for it, especially if "the hobby" is being done on the side. Additionally, I, myself, pick who I deal with. By being very selective, I am trying to refine my tastes and the person chosen could truly feel as someone special and long awaited. Otherwise, it's a business transaction. Your motivation to do what you do changes, so does the quality of "pleasure".

[Alanis]

I am sure that some of clients could be quite skillful and plain good technically (so could non-paying boyfriends) depending on the luck. However, try not to charge your clients for a month and ask yourself if you really love what you do. If you still do, you are truly one of a kind.

[Alanis]

Sorry to be brutal again, but perhaps this is the illusion us, SPs, engage in. Some of us can have lower self-esteem. Getting into a biz helps somehow to remedy it temporarily. After all we ALL hear that we are beautiful and goddess material, right? And never had they met anybody like us before, etc. The egos get fed accordingly.

The client is paying for his time. He hopes to capitalize on his monetary investment. You should be friendly and responsive. Complements are in order. Additionally, he does not want to feel like a fool that he paid for something he's not fully satisfied with if the girl is not completely what he had pictured. So, to justify his choice and feel right, he embellishes the object of his desire a bit. The result is that he feels happy with his purchase and the girl feels like a goddess for an allocated time.

Why is it that the girls don't hear all of those words of admiration on everyday basis from men who don't pay (I mean they do hear complements, but not to the same exhilarating extent)? I sort of could see how it might be thrilling to know that somebody is dying to be intimate with a stranger for money, but it also could be that they are simply "desperate" or very horny at the moment.

Not to stir any negative emotions here, I just wanted to point out to other possibilities.

[Alanis]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by benrath

Why the F do it for free with some jerk you met in a bar, just for fun???

I wouldn't do it either, even if he paid!

[QUOTE]Do a search on her posts and you will see what she really thinks of the hobby and hobbyists.

That depends on your interpretation.

[QUOTE]Hey Alanis are you hot now?

Always been...

[Willywants]

Hi Ladies!
This thread was started due to a curiousity, not as a devious means to draw the real foxes out of their dens!
A smarter me might have realized that the only ladies that would respond would be those who do honestly enjoy what they do!
Okay! Jenn, Alanis, Siobhan, have you seen on many sites that which I mentioned? The so called declaration of enjoyment!
Do any of you use that on your sites or would you?
Wouldn't it be more rewarding for the client to find out during an encounter just how much you do enjoy what you do rather than having it suggested up front and thus, perhaps, raising the client's expectations??

Willywants (to work this one out!)

[Willywants]

Now there is a bit of double entendre!
Charge me for services rendered and I will raise you to the status of Aphrodite with my compliments!
Provide me with complimentary services and I will raise you to the status of Aphrodite with my compliments!
When a man has an uncompromising love of women, he will compliment them under any circumstance, as the woman warrants!
When in a more intimate setting, a man is bound to be more generous with his compliments! I do believe it is an integral part of who and what we are!
I love giving positive strokes, literally and figuratively!
Hey! If a lady is down right ugly, I won't tell her so, nor would I suggest that she is something she's not, like beautiful!
Unless, and this slays me, that the beauty of the lady transcends the physical!

Willywants (to control his fascination with some ladies!)

[Willywants]

Hey Benrath!
I should have referenced "Vixxxen" instead of "Fox"!
Post your ass off!
I just didn't want the ladies to think I was trying to get a fix on those that really do enjoy their job!
The pursuit is cerebral, not physical!

Willywants

[Alanis]

Originally posted by siobhan

I do not hear anything from clients that I am not told every time that I am out...

We all do since we need to be decently attractive to be in the biz, but my point was that the clients' comments are way too exaggerated and coloured by momentary emotions. How many drop dead gorgeous and sober guys at a club, for instance, would keep on coming to you every 15 min and calling you a goddess quality in a matter of 2 min ? If they did, then I guess I was at the wrong club.


[i]Pretty much all of the clients that I see are very good looking, intelligent and articulate men...and the majority are not "desperate" as you put it.... and yes, they are horny at the moment, but they could also go out and get it for free....

Well, if it were true we would be out of business. Yes, there are some classy/elite men out there, but -by definition- they constitute a minority. More importantly, somehow they are not even able to get if for free from the person that claims she does it mostly for the pleasure.:mad:

You have also mentioned on your site that you don't engage in any "bare" activities because no money is worth health risks. Go figure why money is in the sentence.

I am not trying to pick on you Siobhan. It's good to think about the stuff. I am just challenging what other people say, as much as I am being challenged myself.

I have "fooled/played" many men as a MPA into believing that I loved what I did and really got into it. They knew it, so did I. Nobody ever complained, yet they kept on coming back for more. Some of them perhaps fooled me as well. Additionally, some I genuinely liked as other human beings. But never did I deny that it was all about the money at the first place. Yes, sometimes it was quite pleasant physically only, but even then not earth shaking as with bfs.

[BBW_Morgan]

Willy wrote:


Hobbyists enjoy what they do for the variety, the sex, the company, the addiction!

Is it so far fetched to believe that women might enjoy it for the same reasons, with the added bonus of cash thrown in?

I have a good friend from college who, to quote her on this matter, "fucks like a man". She enjoys the thrill of picking up guys, fucking them, and going home. I wonder if any of her conquests ever assume that she doesn't *really* like what she is doing? Or do they not even consider this, simply because she's fucking them for free? After all, free=fun, paid=faking it, right?

Last time I checked, no one begrudges professional athletes paid compensation for doing what they love. Do you approach Michael Jordan and say "Hey, if you really loved basketball, you'd be playing in pick up games at the school yard (where I can watch you for free), instead of being a paid athlete".

Honestly, this one should be a sticky, because I doubt there's a SP out there who hasn't been told that she can't *really* enjoy working in this field. The implied assumption, of course, is that we are all faking it, and that all clients are so hideous that this job must be akin to working with lepers...

Morgan

[drlove]

Alanis, thank-you for being so upfront. Referring back to Willy's question, from the hobbyist's standpoint, I do see statements as "I love what I do" etc. as an advertisement. This is not to say that they are not truthful, but remember...first and foremost, it's about money. BTW...there's nothing wrong with that notion either. Personally, I don't think they would entice me to see a lady, unless I was predisposed to booking her in the first place.

[Willywants]

C'mon Morgan!
I am in no way suggesting women in the "biz", or otherwise, don't or should not enjoy sex!
I am just trying to determine who the SP's using such statements are trying to convince!
Never had the pleasure of your pleasure sweetheart, but you sound like one raunchy lady to me, who evidently enjoys her romps in the hay!
But please don't deny that there are women in the business, who, despite the remuneration, would rather be anywhere else except in bed with a stranger slathering all over her! Perhaps twice maybe even three or more times a night!
Yet her bio may read "I like what I do!"
Give me a break!

Willywants (to call a spade a spade!)

[Jenn_angel]

I confess...

I am an addict... To physical touch... I don't like to have emotional attachments on a long term basis... It takes too much out of me.

The people I see come as close to me emotionally as either of us allow it... But if I was to just pick men up at a bar... They actually expcet me to call the next day...

Hello problem... I like a lot of variation when it comes to people I spend my time with... But I find it hard to remember to call every couple of days... And make time to spend with one person... That takes a lot of work... And is a lot more difficult for me then it is to do what I love to do and have a perk thrown in...

I am tired of the question comming up... Would I do this if I was not paid...

Quite frankly... It is almost a sure thing...

Why? Because even though I can be told how pretty I am, or how great my tits are... I just don't always want to pick up the phone and call the next day... I don't want to be expected to change my plans to include a S.O. and most of all... Who could really handle my need for space and freedom while at the same time put up with my opinionated self?

I think that when I choose to enter into a relationship again it may be different... But for now... I get my own personal variation of the BFE... LOL ... The short term gratification with out the strings... Right guys.

[Alanis]

Ok, if I wanted to experience a variety with strangers with no money implicatated, I think I would apply for a membership in some swingers club or adult friend finder...Then I could be surer that people I meet are pure pleasure seekers nimpho sex maniacs like me. How's that Willy as an option?

[Jenn_angel]

Been there... Done that...

[BBW_Morgan]

Originally posted by Willywants


I am just trying to determine who the SP's using such statements are trying to convince!

Well, maybe they're trying to convince the men who keep saying to them "C'mon, you can't really like being an escort!". Think of it as a disclaimer: "Before you bother to ask me, YES, I do enjoy my work".



one raunchy lady to me, who evidently enjoys her romps in the hay!

Well, I'm a big advocate of raunch, but I prefer sheets to hay. I'm prone to hives :) But I never deny I love the money, too. Capitalism is our friend, or so says my bank manager, at least.


don't deny that there are women in the business, who, despite the remuneration, would rather be anywhere else except in bed with a stranger slathering all over her! Perhaps twice maybe even three or more times a night!

Well, let's put this into perspective, shall we? Read the following statement:

"I'm a man who gets paid to have sex with women. Women, some of them simply gorgeous ones, pay me to do all kinds of nasty, wonderful perverted things with them. Some of them can't wait to s*ck my c*ck and tell me how much they love doing it! If I'm not in the mood to work, I just don't, because I'm my own boss, but if I am - I can have a babe over here in five minutes ready to f*ck me silly! Some of them are less hot than others, and sometimes I'm tired or cranky, but hey! I get PAID to have sex with women! I have the best job in the bloody world!"

Would you believe *him*? And if so, think about why you'd believe a man who says that, and not a woman. Think about what that really means, deep inside, your views about women and sexuality are.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, Willy. I've never heard from a single person who's met you that you are anything but a gentleman.

Devilishly,

Morgan

[Willywants]

Morgan!
Whether I am a gentleman or not is irrelevant to the topic at hand! Mind you, it is always nice to be thought of as such!
In the piece you put forward to provide a "male slant" on things, who is the male provider trying to convince that he has "The best bloody job in the world!"?? Himself perhaps???
I don't choose to engage in a war of words here!
To boil the original intent of this thread down, I will ask the same question again, but in simpler format!
Are all the ladies in the business, whose bios suggest they "enjoy what they do", being totally honest with the reader and with themselves???
That is all I was really asking!
The question only relates to those who do include this qualifier on their sites or in their ads!
We both know that there are those in the business who thoroughly enjoy it, and there are also those that don't!
How many of the "don't's" try to convince themselves that they do, by telling the world they do?

Willywants (to get off the merry-go-round!)

[BBW_Morgan]

Originally posted by Willywants
Are all the ladies in the business, whose bios suggest they "enjoy what they do", being totally honest with the reader and with themselves???

I can't speak for anyone but myself, Willy, but why not simply take them at their word?

I don't think anyone can claim to 'love their job' every single day - I'm sure even those with the world's most enviable profession have days where they'd rather stay in bed with a cup of cocoa and a nice book. But, sure - why not? Why not assume that this statement means "Most of the time, if you're a nice guy, I really love having sex"?

I think that the rollercoaster you feel you're on has to do with the fact that you think that (most of ? some of?) these women are lying, and I want to give (most of? all of?) them the benfit of the doubt. I don't know them, so why should I assume they're lying?

Maybe you're just a realist, and I'm an optimist. Beats me.

Optimistically,

Morgan

[Willywants]

Thank you Morgan!
You are a joy to converse with!
I fully understand your response to my thread and appreciate totally where you are coming from!
The benefit of the doubt should always go in favour of those being doubted!
My intent was certainly not to label those ladies who use the "suspect" claimer, or disclaimer, as the case may be, as liars or lying in there bios!
I was just questioning if, perhaps, there might be a little misrepresentation on the part of some!
I hope you have a wonderful day and don't get any hay in your hair! Lol!
Respects!
Willy

[brainydonkey]

I would say that if not all, many of the Escorts like what they do specially if they are in this business for long time. I have met some Escorts who have great communication skills and if they want, they can easily get some other job but they do not want to do the other job.

The Escorts who do not like their job, do not continue in this profession for long time normally.

Once I asked a girl "Don't you get bored having sex every day ??"

She replied "I am a hooker, man. I love it". Her answer was correct because I can feel her enjoyment when I spend time with her.

Brainydonkey

[Alanis]

Originally posted by benrath
So vivre la difference! We cannot say that just because we feel a certain way and hold certain world views everyone sees it that way. And if someone else sees it differently they are not wrong, it is just another way to feel about and view things! How dare we say that they thus "have low self-esteem", or any other disparaging adjective for that matter, that is just pompous, arrogant and narrow minded. Sorry to be so "brutal"!

Don't forget, Ben, that I have been exposed to a large number of SPs on my path over the years. We all talked, debated, and expressed our opinions. Of course, we all have our worldviews and I am not trying to convince anybody to my perspective, as you erroneously interpreted. If anything, I would point out to illusions.

Let me give you a little informal statistic: I never met a single girl that HONESTLY admitted she loved what she did. Could be my luck. If you could only come to any MP waiting room and listen to our conversations. And then, let the client come in and see a dramatic change in everyones' attitudes...

Girls get into the biz for different reasons. This is not the whole picture, but from my experience, the ones that were doing it on the side, had other alternatives to pursue upon their exit. The ones that stayed in the industry for more than 10 yrs, had-by large-no other opportunities to better themselves and continue with the same or similar financial benefits. If the profession is so good and "lovable", why the SPs don't encourage their daughters/cousins etc. to pursue it as a great choice of a career? Maybe you tell me instead.

If I were an escort, I guess over time I would convince myself I loved what I did, as much as I was trying to believe I liked being an MPA. We like to be right about our choices, so even if they don't feel ok, we persuade ourselves they do. I am not denying entirely that there are girls that might like what they do to a certain extent, but I suspect there are a minority. I do have a lot of respect for them, because I KNOW how hard it is to like it.

[Alanis]

P.S.
If there were no significant objections and suspicions about "Do you love your job?", why would this statement be present on the adds in the first place? Tell me, Ben, why there is a need to convince others? Why don't we have other professionals to announce loudly "Listen people, I am lawyer/other etc. and I LOVE my job!".

For the girls, putting something like "I am very eager/enthusiastic about meeting new people" could be more catching perhaps. Or even better, rephrasing the original statement to "I love sex" (if legally doable?). In this case, sex is not seen as a job you get paid for, but fun and a sort of a hobby. More importantly, no objections could be really raised, since almost everybody likes sex in general.

[Avery]

I never ask escorts why they chose to be one (that would be rude and intrusive), but many have volunteered the information.

They usually say something like, "I love the company of men, I love sex, and I can make good money doing it, so I thought why not?" Most of the ladies who have told me this have some things in common. They are usually over 30 and are either part-time escorts, or are full-time escorts who are fairly new to the business and are at a crossroads in their business or personal lives. I rarely see younger escorts, but I suspect that their reasons are much more mercenary.

Those who seem to like it the most know that it's a phase of their lives, not a career.

[brainydonkey]

[i]Those who seem to like it the most know that it's a phase of their lives, not a career.

[/B] I do not agree fully as many of girls have accepted this as their career and plan to continue for many years to come. Yes, they may have to look for some alternative career when they are 45 or older because then it becomes difficult for them to find clients.

Brainydonkey

[Willywants]

Just wondering!!
From what I have read, it seems that, not what I suspected, but what I have known, is indeed true!
There are a number of ladies in the business, for whatever reason, who truly "like what they do", again, for whatever reason, that's for them to answer, and then there are those who do not like what they are doing, but endure in it for their own reasons!
For those who do not enjoy what they are doing, please don't suggest otherwise in your bios.
I realize that anyone enticed by such a statement, in finding the encounter perfunctory and less than rewarding, has the ability to vent, on such review boards as TERB, with a negative review which could damage a ladies rep as a provider and affect her sources of business and income!
There is no doubt that inherent freedoms in this democracy allow a lady to include whatever the hell she wants in her bio, and for the lack of such questionable statements as being discussed here, any substandard service will be negatively panned anyway!
I just find such statements to be ingenuous.
On a personal note, I would tend not to engage the services of a lady trying to convince the world that she really does enjoy what she is doing!
This is a personal preference and opinion and is certainly not intended as a slam against all the fine ladies in the industry!
My choice of a lady with whom to keep company is based on so very much more than a simple statement.
In consideration of my pocket book and the spend involved for an encounter with a lovely woman, I prefer not to be misled!

Willywants (to be honest and upfront here!)

[brainydonkey]

I do not think that there is anything wrong in being optimistic. Tell me one thing, whatever job somebody is doing, if he/she tells himself/herself all the time that I hate this job then after some time, he/she will actually start hating that job. When somebody says that I love my job, it gives us an optimistic feeling whether he / she is truthful or not about that. When you ask any person "How are you", you will expect a reply "Fine" or "Good" rather than "I am not fine".

Let us take another example. I have appointed many people for my company. During the interview, if a candidate gives me the feeling that he wants to join the job because he needs the job badly, he is out. On the other hand, if a candidate gives me the feeling that he wants this job because he is really interested and he will be committed to the work, it gives me a positive feeling and it is counted when I make final decision.

Do you agree ???

Brainydonkey

[Willywants]

...and one I guess I had not really considered!
It does make sense in a sense!
But let's not lose sight of the fact that the ladies in question are vendors of a product, not applicants for a job position!
Certainly nothing wrong with taking the optimistic route if it makes you feel better about what you are doing and about yourself! But once those "better" feelings are in place, project them into the performance of the job!
That brings us full circle back to the same old ..... don't tell me you enjoy what you do, show me!!

Willywants (to spend his bucks wisely!)

[Kathy P]

A client once said to me after a heat-drenched encounter "either you love what you do or you're a fucking great actress!" My reply was that "I'm a seductress not an actress." I was being truthful.

It is too bad that there aren't more people in the world who are willing to place value in taking people on their word and giving them the benefit of the doubt. What possible difference does it make why an SP is in her profession or that she's getting paid well? Alas, I think the root of this dilemma has less to do with those questions and more to do with a desire on the part of some men (I stress SOME) to control female behaviour in general. It has always been my theory that many people in society are threatened by women who work in this business because (a) they are women making choices about who and when they have sex which is very threatening to a male who thinks that they should be controlling that, (b) a woman can be independent of a marriage/common-law relationship with a man when she has financial independence, (c) a woman doesn't have to subjecate herself to control and power issues with men when she can support herself and (d) men don't want to believe that women are equally as capable of having multiple sexual partners without emotional attachment.

So, my dears, I think this is a classic power and control struggle. The analysis should be reversed and the spotlight should be on the fellas that have a problem with women who want to have complete independence for their bodies, their sexuality, their time and their finances. Perhaps questioning someone's sincerity or authenticity is a way of detracting from what's really at issue here: if a man wants to be with an SP he has to submit to her conditions for the get-together to take place. Many men, consciously or unconsciously are bothered by that. Think about it: this is the one profession where women are more successful and dominant and more successful financially then men. That's got to be a threatening proposition.

As for the cocoa and good book in bed versus a 2-hour erotic, mind-blowing, body exhilirating roll-in-the-hay, I'll throw the cocoa and the book out of bed and keep the man. By the end of our session, he'll KNOW "I love what I do" is not merely advertising pitch!

[brainydonkey]

Originally posted by Alanis


The ones that stayed in the industry for more than 10 yrs, had-by large-no other opportunities to better themselves and continue with the same or similar financial benefits. If the profession is so good and "lovable", why the SPs don't encourage their daughters/cousins etc. to pursue it as a great choice of a career? Maybe you tell me instead.



I think that the reason that SPs don't encourage their daughters/cousins etc. to pursue it as a great choice of a career is not because it is bad profession or because they hate what they are doing but because of double standard in the society. We have put a label on this profession that this profession is bad. For example, how many of us (guys) are using our real names on this site ? (This includes me because I am also not using my real name here). In our society, if a girl is changing his boy-friends as she is changing clothes, it is acceptable to us but SP is not acceptable. What is the difference between the type of girl I mentioned and a SP ? There are many guys out there who go to pubs just for picking these type of socially reputed girls.

Probably, the other reason that this profession is not socially accepted is that it is still illegal in most of countries (except in Canada, Nevada in USA, Holland & Thailand). When a profession is illegal, there are bad elements who come in the picture. Also, the media is one of the responsible factor. Media is not having any problem if Madonna is showing her nude and soft sex photographs in public but they have problem with profession of SPs.

Brainydonkey

[Willywants]

Great post Kathy P!
Love it!
Any gent entering an encounter not knowing it is truly in the lady's control, despite dollars paid, should perhaps rethink dabbling in the hobby!

Willywants (to just lay back and enjoy!)

[Alanis]

Originally posted by brainydonkey
We have put a label on this profession that this profession is bad.

That's what I have been wondering for a while. Why do you think this it is considered bad? Let's generate some answers.

My biased answer would be that we decided long time ago that intimacy was something special that couldn't be for sale. Similar negativity goes for being with somebody just for material benefits. Love for sale? We frown upon these cases as well.

It is not only "bad" for women to engage in it, but also for male prostitutes as well. So, gender and power struggle, although quite valid, can not account entirely for the negative value attached to the activity.

I also see your point Kathy about women threatening status quo by being successful in their profession. My two thumbs up for them! I've always been admiring ANY (be it an escort or other) women who did well for themselves. Nevertheless, you can find other, typically feminine, professions that women could be more successful than men, e. g. school teaching (I guess), fashion modeling (!), Hollywood stardom to name a few. We don't label those professions as "bad" only b/c women are quite independent financially, especially when it comes down to fashion models. There are also mega-successful female politicians, M. Theacher, for a measure, or talented female artists (the Nobel Prize winners), or scientists, or shrewd businesswomen all over the world (a smaller percentage than men, but we are on the way to question it as well).

Also we could say that it's not women-by large- who are extremely successful financially, but escort agencies' owners that could be often male, e. g. a recent case in the media.

I see your point, Kathy, although I think there is more to it.


[i]What is the difference between the type of girl I mentioned and a SP? [/B]

A fundamental one: they don't take money for what they do.


[i]Media is not having any problem if Madonna is showing her nude and soft sex photographs in public but they have problem with profession of SPs. [/B]

It is a matter of degree. We don't mind, and even sometimes can't wait, when our favourite stripper takes her clothes off in public as well...